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Basteta
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 00:59
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Parastie stereotipi ir, ka kristietim jaabuut perfrktam, kaartiigam, klasiski gjeerbtam, jaaklausaas tikai bazniicas eergjeljmuuzika ...
Patietiesiibaa arii kristieshi ir ljoti dazjaadi. Ir daudzi kas klausaas smagu muuziku, atbilstoshi gjeerbjas..., un neviens pat nenojaush, ka vinji savaa sirdii tic Jeezum. Ir pat daudzas kristiigas metaala grupas. Daudzi KLAUSAAS arii PUNK un HC. Galvenais jau ir nevis tas ko mees klausaamies, bet kaa mees to uztveram.
Basteta
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 01:01
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esmu dzirdeejusi arii taadus izteicienus:
visi metaalisti - alkaholikji;
visi panki - narkomaani;
...
(piebildiishu, ka es tam nepiekriitu!!!)
Bleakness
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 01:34
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nu tā tas ir, bet ko tu ar to gribi pateikt???
Es personīgi kristietību neatzīstu par īsti pareizu man kā Latvietim negribas ticēt tādai lietai kuras dēļ manu senču senči vairākās paaudzēs vergojuši
savā veidā pateicoties katoļu cūcībām tolaik esam tāda maza tautiņa kuru reti kurais ārpasaulē zin
Un aklohols man makten garšo šodien jo īpaši ribās gājis
Basteta
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 11:07
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Gribu teikt to, ka katrs ir atshkjiriigs un nedriikst nosodiit cilveekus, kurus nepaziist. Visiem kristietiiba asocieejas ar krusta kariem un katolju priesteru izvirtiibu. Es arii esmu pret jebkaadu kultuuru izniicinaashanu un sirdii nosodu krustneshu, bet tas nenoziimee, ka neticu Triisvieniigadam dievam un nosodu paareejos kristieshus. Esmu luteraane un tieshi taapeec, ka nepatika daudzi katolju noteikumi. Es dziivoju peec Biibeles nevis maaciitaaju sludinaajumiem. Biibeli katrs uztver citaadaak.
crazysowild
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 11:11
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paklau bet tev neliekas, ka tu vareetu tikpat labi dziivot tajaa pashaa bazniica.lv un nevis naakt te tautu besiit?
Arhīvs
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 11:29
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Bībele ir totāls psiholoģisks savārstījums, kurš spēlē uz cilvēku pašsajūtu, vārgumu un slinkumu! Pa šo tēmu var vervelēt bezgala ilgi un tā arī pie "patiesības" nenonākt! Ko tu ar šīs tēmas iesākšanu gribēji panākt? Pateikt, ka esi nonākusi pie patiesa secinājuma un gribi pārējiem to sludināt? Visiem ir savi viedokļi un cīnīties pret tiem ir nekompetenti! Tev ir savējais, tad arī paliec pie tā! Bet kamēr tev kāds nenāk ar palīdzības jautājumu attiecīgajā tēmā, varbūt nevajag ar šiem jautājumiem pašai uzbāzties! Vai tiešām nav labākas tēmas, kuras apspriest, kā šādas nodrāztas tēmas? Vai arī visiem sāk zust iztēle?
P.S. Gribi atsaucīgākus ļautiņus - ej baznīca.lv!!! HE HE!
Basteta
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 11:55
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Nee, es gribu dzirdeet arii citus viedokljus un piemeerus ar stereotipiem. Taads ir shhis teemas nosukums.

Ja esmu kristiete, tas nenoziimee, ka nedriikstu klausiities metaalu, ja es to klausos, dar arii te apgrozos un beidziet visi mani dziit prom. Tik un taa nekut neieshu, jo man te patiik(atskaitot nemitiigos uzbraucienus)

Neko nemeegjinu citiem iegalvot - atklaaju savu viedokli.
Edenbeast
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 12:18
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Kas par sviestainu tēmu???? Kāds nonsenss! Kristietība un reliģija vispār ir jānodala no mākslas, ko sevī ietver Heavy Metal kultūra. Ja sāk abus klaji apvienot, tad sanāk baisi sūdi! Abi gali ir stulbi - gan tie kas bezjēgā sludina savu Dievu un viņa mācību, gan tie, kas neko nezinot, sāk dirst uz ticīgajiem. Stereotipi? Lai katrs darās kā grib. Es savu reliģiju nejaucu ar savu mūziku. Tās dzīvo saskaņā, jo es pieteikami labi pazīstu kā vienu tā otru. So, stay dark... thats beyond it all, beyond any religion or culture. Tā domāju es...
Pagāns
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 13:12
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Ne tikai krusta kari un kristiešu genocīdisms raisa atmiņas par kristietību, arī tagadējā mācītāju un daudzu citu (nesaku ka Tu Enij) kristiešu sludinājumi degredē un liek aizmirst patiesību un vēsturi, par mūsu senčiem, kas nebij kristīti un bij savādāka kultūra, kuru gribēja gan pirms 1000 gadiem nīcināt, gan arī tagad, sakot, ka mūsu senči jau paaudžu paaudzes esot kristīti, pilnīgas muļķības, tādā veidā aizmirstot patiesos varoņus, kas cīnījās par sevi, nevis pakļāvās svešam valdniekam...
sfinXters
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 13:34
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Bļe, kāds te visam sakars ar aizpirdumiem. Vajag normālu noskaumu topikam "Kristeiši - labie HC ļautiņi vai pēdējie lopi?"! Vispār kristieši ir visnetolerantāka reliģija uzreiz aiz musulmaņiem. Atcerēsimies inkvizīciju. 300 gadu laikā 40'000 cilvēku sadedzināti ne par ko Lielbritānijā vien!
Pagāns
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 14:11
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...par to, ka bija skaistāki, gudrāki, izsmalcinātāki mākslinieki.
Bleakness
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 14:19
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Arhīvam par to bībeli piekrītu, viena grāmatiņa ar kuras palīdzību pakļaut ietekmēt cilvēkus, turklāt pretrunīga grāmata. vienā lapā ir zobs pret zobu, acs pret aci utt, bet citā jau Jēzus saka ka viss ir jāpiedod - nu kur te ir tā taisnība ko??? atbildi gaidu no bastetas

bet par stereotipiem krīt uz nerva ka gotus pa gaiši zilajiem uzskata un par mīkstajiem ne jau visi bet nu daudzi
ar ko tad džeki sliktāki ka viņi nedrīkst pamālēties un meičas drīkst
Arhīvs
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 14:21
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Un Bērtuļu nakts (ja nemaldos, tad tā bija nakts, kad nogalināja vairākus tūkstošus cilvēku dēļ "neticības")...?
kk:(
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 14:52
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Atkal jau par kristietiibu.....Nu un? Kas taalaak?

Knapi 2000 gadus saeksisteejusi, jau runaa kaut ko par muuzhiibu un muuzhiigaam veertiibaam. He. Kaa juus domaajat, kas notiks pirmais - izdzisiis Saule vai kristietiiba izniiks un neviens par taadu vairs neatcereesies.

Edenbeast ar' pareizi teica, nav ko jaukt te lietas kopaa. Piem. Hansi Kursch no Blind Guardian arii ir kristietis (pats par sevi teica "Esmu ticiigs, bet ljoti kritisks kristietis"), bet vinsh par to nerunaa (ja vinjam nejautaa) un nestaigaa apkaart kaut ko sludinaadams un ciiniidamies ar "stereotipiem".

(Basteta, kas Tev traucee dziivot? Ko Tu njemies?)
Edenbeast
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 15:05
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KK:(, par kritisku attieksmi es piekrītu. Par sevi varu teikt to pašu, ko H. Kursch.

Basteta taču ir pokemons... :)

Deadfall
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 15:15
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Cik noprotu kopeejais uzskats vareetu buut taads:
Kristietiiba + Metaals ... f*** off
Saatanisms + Metaals .... Hail Satan!
kk:(
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 15:30
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Tas hail satan ljoti biezhi ir teeatris, bet pat, ja tas atspoguljo kaut kaadu paarlieciibu, tad parasti tas vienalga nav nekaads iistais saatanisms, bet tikai pretoshanaas organizeetajai religjijai un taads filosofisks ateisms (kas principaa vareetu buut uzskataams par vienu no saatanisma paveidiem, no kristietiibas viedoklja, protams)
Sinigunde
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 15:34
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Runaajot par stereotipiem un aizspriedumiem, muusdienaas ir ljoti gruuti nodaliit, kur taisniiba, kur ne.Kaa arii sadaliit visu pa plauktinjiem, jo viss ir baigi sajaucies.Bij viens labs raksts, kur autore centaas noskaidrot un saprast shos stereotipus, bet beigaas atkal nonaaca turpat, kur saaka.Principaa viss jau iet pa apli.Sakaraa ar kristietiibu, lai tak katrs dziivo, kaa veelas, tikai, lai citus liek mieraa un neuzspiezj savu viedokli.Muusu dazjaadie viedoklji dara pasauli dazjaadaaku un interesantaaku.;))
Basteta: dziivo ar savu ticiibu iekshienee, ja taa dara tevi laimiigu.Vai nav vienalga, ko te citi uzskata?! Kaada jeega kaut ko pieraadiit.
Un nevajag apsaukaat Bastetu par pokemonu, tas ir beernishkjiigi!
Basteta
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 15:54
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Ateisms netiek likts kopaa ar saatanismu.

To: Bleakness
Biibelee ir daudz pretrunu, tam es piekriitu. Bet arii tas, ka citaati vienmeer tiek izrauti no konteksta, sagroza patiesiibu.

Par kristietiibu saakumaa nebiju domaajusi runaat shajaa maajas lapaa, bet man tika uzdots jautaajums(citaa diskusijaa) un taapeec arii viss saakaas.

Ja nemaldos, par pokemoniem tiek saukti beerni, bet es esmu pilngadiiga!!!
Edenbeast
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 15:57
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To Basteta

Oj, oj, oj!!! Nevajag jau cepties.

Basteta
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 16:18
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Labi, juus pa visiem mani pierunaajaat - es shajaa diskusijaa vairs neteikshu ne vaarda par kristietiibu.
Vampirs
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 17:21
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vislabak ka tu beigtu runat un nepiesmeretu fekalijam sho saitu, bet tas tik mans viedoklis
Kaplicha
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 18:20
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Basteta, turies un paliec pie savas parliecibas!
Lūsis.
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 18:51
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Es te tā paprātoju, ja spriežam pēc kristiešu priekštatiem, tad Elle jau sen ir bāzta un pārbāzta, jo visi tie ļautiņi, kas mira pirms mūsu ēras ar "kristietības gaismu" vēl nebija iepazīstināti, līdz ar to pārkāpa pašu pirmo un svarīgāko bausli- par vienīgā Dieva godāšanu un citu dievu noliegšanu. Ellē noteikti ir tik pilns, cik pilna būs Kabata SF koncī 19-tajā.. >:)
Enemy
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 19:12
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Lasot "Abortus" man uznaaca dusma uz Bastetu bet nu jau paargaaja (izlaadejos).
Es te manu vienu nesliktu teemu, bet tikai nevajag visu teemu aizdirst ar bezjeedziigiem Kristus klausaas vai neklausaas Deicide???(nebija domaats burtiski)

Vispaar stereotipi ir ljoti interesanta lieta.
Itkaa mees saprotam ka beztolkaa dirst uz kaadu apgjeerba, gaumes, ticiibas, uctps. nav tolks jo taapat otrs tikai paliks pie sava un veel apvainosies.
BET tomeer kad nonaakam aizspriedumainaa situaacija muusu stereotipi lauzhas aaraa ka nemetas. Kaapeec taa? Tak visi saprotam ka tolerance ir pats labaakais kas vien var buut.
Nedirs citam nedirsiis tev.
Tomeer kaa jau teicu tas ne vienmeer straadaa.
Es sho jautaajumu neesmu taa peetiijis un mani intereseetu citu viedoklji par sho probleemu. (arii nabaga Bastetes)
Basteta
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 19:36
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Te lielaakaa dalja aizbaaza man muti, labaak pakluseeshu.
Basteta
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 19:39
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Ja gribat dzirdeet manu viedokli, tad jaasaak diskusija: uzbrukumi Bastetai - apsoliiju par kr. vairs shajaas divaas diskusijaas nerunaat.
Intars
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 20:53
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Jā jā, go on, forumam ļoti trūkst bezjēdzīgu tēmu. Ka tik ne arī.
Saatans
, 2005. gada 31. janvārī, plkst. 23:59
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es jau sen tureeju rokas nost no klaviatuuras,lai neuzraxtiitu ko rupju,bet nu mans pacietiibas gals ir pienaacis!!!!!!!
Basteta,NEVIENAM,es atkaartoshu veel reiz-NEVIENAM NEINTERESEE,KAM TU TICI!!!!!!!!!!!!
TEV LAIKAM NAU KO DARIIIT,TAd ej un palasi biibeli!!!!!
beidzot tas ir aaaraaa!!!!!!!!>:((((
f
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 09:46
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Esmu par cilvēka brīvību, līdz ar to arī pret stereotipiem un aizspriedumiem.

Basteta teica:"Visiem kristietiiba asocieejas ar krusta kariem un katolju priesteru izvirtiibu." Man tā asociējas ar totālu represijas mehānismu, milzīgu varu pār cilvēku jeb cilvēka pakļaušanu un pārveidošanu.

(Kristietībā cilvēkam arī ir brīvā griba, bet cilvēks to nevar izmantot, jo tiklīdz viņš to dara, tā uzreiz grēko un rada ļaunumu kā Ādams, tādā veidā cilvēks grib līdzināties Dievam, savam kungam. Cilvēkam ir jādara tikai tas, ko liek Dievs caur Bībeli - pats lemt nedrīkst, tā ir lepnība!)

Kristietība ar metālu kopā neiet - gandrīz visas metāla grupas nevar būt kristietim pieņemamas, tajā skaitā, pašas labākās un atzītākās, gan tekstu dēļ, gan arī pašas mūzikas agresijas dēļ.

Kristietim, ja nu tomēr tam ir tāda vēlme, atliek klausīties tikai kaut kādas atsevišķas grupas, piem., Disciple, kas nav nekas vairāk kā Pantera`s lēts plaģiāts, jo tur ir perfekti nokopēti gan daudzi riffi, gan ģitāru solo.
Deathperado
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 13:07
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Basteta, atbildi uz šiem jautājumiem (es ceru, ka angliski māki lasīt):

1. Explain why your god's only son had to die so we can go to a land of happiness ("heaven") when we die.

2. Did everyone who died before Jesus died go to Hell? Justify your answer.

3. If a Catholic, justify the Inquisition and other persecutions of "heretics" throughout the centuries, concentrating on why the Pelagianists, the Priscillianists, and the Manichaeans were persecuted; if a Protestant, justify the witch trials and the way that Protestants constantly hunted down native Americans until they were almost entirely depopulated; if a member of an Eastern Orthodox church, justify the persecutions of the Old Believers after the seventeenth century reforms.

4. Explain why your sect (whether Catholic, Protestant, or Eastern Orthodox) pursued, tortured, and killed people who were not Christian.

5. Explain why your sect (whether Catholic, Protestant, or Eastern Orthodox) pursued, tortured, and killed people who were Christians, but not members of your particular sect.

6. Explain why I should believe that your god is all-good when the only real information we have about him is the Bible, which clearly describes him as both good and evil. (See Isaiah 30:32, Luke 14:26, Numbers 31:17-18, Matthew 10:34, Amos 3:6, Deuteronomy 18:8, Deuteronomy 20:16, Exodus 20:5, Exodus 32:27, Isaiah 45:7, Psalms 52:5, Luke 22:36, and Jeremiah 18:11 for a small sample of Biblical passages which describe Jehovah as having an evil morality at times).

7. Explain why, when racism is clearly wrong, Jesus was clearly a racist (see Mark 7:25-29).

8. Explain why, when discrimination against women is clearly wrong, the Bible clearly supports the oppression of women. Refuting that entails refuting 1 Cor 11 and 1 Tim 2:11-15.

9. Explain why, when slavery is clearly wrong, the Bible clearly supports slavery. Refuting that entails refuting 1 Peter 2:18.

10. Explain why children should submit to their parents' decisions even when those decisions are clearly evil. Answering this question entails refuting Deuteronomy 21:18-21, Proverbs 13:24, and Hebrews 12:7-8.

11. Explain why, if your god loves us all, more than half of us are going to Hell after we die. Specifically, refute or explain the following words of Christ, as presented in the New Testament: "Many are called but few are chosen," and "Straight is the gate, and narrow is the way that leadeth unto salvation, and few there be that find it." If your god loves all of us, and is omnipotent and omniscient to boot, couldn't he have found a better way?

12. Explain what type of offense could possibly justify eternal, unbearable torture in Hell; if your sect does not believe in Hell, then refute every passage in the Old and New Testaments which describes Hell (such as 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 and Revelation 20:15). Do not exceed 200 words, please.

13. Explain how your god can be both just and merciful, when these terms apparently contradict each other.

14. Explain why possession by demons and/or other evil spirits was common during the time of Jesus, but hardly mentioned in the Old Testament, and apparently has been explained completely away today by things such as epilepsy and schizophrenia.

15. Explain why, if the personality resides in the soul, things like drugs and brain damage can affect someone's personality.

16. If heaven is a place where everyone is perfectly happy, then explain how I could be happy in heaven if I had loved ones in Hell.

17. What is Heaven like?

18. What is Hell like?

19. Explain why original sin exists. Why should I be eternally tortured for something that a pair of naked fruit-munching simpletons did in a garden over six thousand years ago? If you believe that children are born stained because they were conceived sexually, explain why I would be punished for something my parents did by your merciful and just god. If this does not apply to your sect, explain why.

20. Explain why getting dunked in or sprinkled with water will prevent me from being eternally tortured for the actions of the naked fruit-munching simpletons mentioned in #19.

21. If your god did not want Adam and Eve to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, why did he put the tree in the garden of Eden (and at the center, no less)? Was it for shade? If so, why use something so dangerous as a shade tree? If the purpose of the tree was to tempt Adam and Eve, explain why it's OK for your god to engage in a practice that is usually referred to as "entrapment."

22. Explain why sex, potentially one of the most wonderful, beautiful things in human nature, is considered "bad" by your particular sect. If your sect does not consider sex to be "bad," then refute Matthew 19:12, 1 Corinthians 7 (particularly verses 1 and 9), Galatians 5:17, 1 Thessalonians 4:3, James 1:14-15, Matthew 24:38, Luke 17:27, and Revelation 14:4.

23. Explain why, if Jesus was perfect, he thought that the end of the world was coming soon, when it has clearly not come yet. See Matthew 16:27-28.

24. Explain why some people (James, Peter, Paul, Thomas, etc.) should get convincing physical proof of miracles, while the rest of us are supposed to take these happenings on faith.

25. Why are the stories of the resurrection inconsistent?

26. If you are a Protestant or a member of an Eastern Orthodox church, explain why you are still using the Catholic Bible, which was formalized by a vote among (supposedly divinely inspired) cardinals and bishops in the fourth century CE, when you disagree with the idea that the Pope, who is higher in the Catholic hierarchy is divinely inspired; if a Catholic, explain why your church accepts the canonical Bible while rejecting the Apocrypha (do not use the "divinely inspired" argument: that is not logical, and cannot be accepted by those who aren't already religious).

27. If your god is kind and gentle, why do some animals have to eat meat?

28. If your god is kind and gentle, why did he create parasites?

29. If your god wants us to worship him through our own free will, why does he threaten us with Hell? If you have someone threatening you with a punishment, how is that free will?

30. Why would your god deliberately cause sinners to sin (cf. Romans 9:15-23 and numerous parts of the book of Exodus where Jehovah says, "I will harden Pharaoh's heart."). Are these sinners still responsible for the sins which your god forces them, against their will, to commit? Justify your answer.

31. If Jesus did have to die, why did someone (specifically, Judas) have to be damned in order accomplish the death and resurrection of Jesus? At least Jesus was a volunteer for the cross; I doubt that your god asked Judas if he was willing to go to Hell so that the resurrection could be accomplished.

32. If Judas was willing to go to Hell for humanity (see #31), didn't he make more of a sacrifice than Jesus, who spent only three hours in pain? Shouldn't we then be worshipping Judas?

33. Why should we accept the words of the gospel writers as truth when they are known to be liars? (See Romans 3:7).

34. Do you believe that your god is anti-homosexual? If so, explain why he would create homosexuals in the first place. If not, refute or explain away Leviticus 20:13 and Romans 1:26-27.

35. Explain why prayer is OK, but spell casting is not, when both amount to the same thing: requesting that a superior supernatural force intercede in a way that would be impossible according to the normally accepted laws of physics.

36. According to the Gospels, from the Christian standpoint, Jesus was the most important person to ever live. From the Roman standpoint, Jesus was a huge pain because of his political activities. Explain why nothing was written about his life for over thirty years after his death, and nothing except the Gospels was written until the third century CE.

37. Explain why you believe a person whose life is so poorly documented (see #36) was even ever born.

38. Define the word "Christ," including references to the pagan origins and meaning of the word.

39. Explain why Jesus, who was anti-Gentile (see Mark 7:25-29) and anti-sex (see Luke 14:26 and Matthew 19:12), would want to be anointed with oil in a pagan sexual rite after his death (see your definition for #38).

40. In light of Matthew 10:34, explain why Jesus is called the Prince of Peace.

41. The name "Jesus" has been anglicized. What was the original (Hebrew) name of Jesus? Where did you get this information?

42. Why is it that the life of Jesus was so similar to the lives of pagan Christs, particularly Herakles, ...
Deathperado
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 13:07
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of the tree was to tempt Adam and Eve, explain why it's OK for your god to engage in a practice that is usually referred to as "entrapment."

22. Explain why sex, potentially one of the most wonderful, beautiful things in human nature, is considered "bad" by your particular sect. If your sect does not consider sex to be "bad," then refute Matthew 19:12, 1 Corinthians 7 (particularly verses 1 and 9), Galatians 5:17, 1 Thessalonians 4:3, James 1:14-15, Matthew 24:38, Luke 17:27, and Revelation 14:4.

23. Explain why, if Jesus was perfect, he thought that the end of the world was coming soon, when it has clearly not come yet. See Matthew 16:27-28.

24. Explain why some people (James, Peter, Paul, Thomas, etc.) should get convincing physical proof of miracles, while the rest of us are supposed to take these happenings on faith.

25. Why are the stories of the resurrection inconsistent?

26. If you are a Protestant or a member of an Eastern Orthodox church, explain why you are still using the Catholic Bible, which was formalized by a vote among (supposedly divinely inspired) cardinals and bishops in the fourth century CE, when you disagree with the idea that the Pope, who is higher in the Catholic hierarchy is divinely inspired; if a Catholic, explain why your church accepts the canonical Bible while rejecting the Apocrypha (do not use the "divinely inspired" argument: that is not logical, and cannot be accepted by those who aren't already religious).

27. If your god is kind and gentle, why do some animals have to eat meat?

28. If your god is kind and gentle, why did he create parasites?

29. If your god wants us to worship him through our own free will, why does he threaten us with Hell? If you have someone threatening you with a punishment, how is that free will?

30. Why would your god deliberately cause sinners to sin (cf. Romans 9:15-23 and numerous parts of the book of Exodus where Jehovah says, "I will harden Pharaoh's heart."). Are these sinners still responsible for the sins which your god forces them, against their will, to commit? Justify your answer.

31. If Jesus did have to die, why did someone (specifically, Judas) have to be damned in order accomplish the death and resurrection of Jesus? At least Jesus was a volunteer for the cross; I doubt that your god asked Judas if he was willing to go to Hell so that the resurrection could be accomplished.

32. If Judas was willing to go to Hell for humanity (see #31), didn't he make more of a sacrifice than Jesus, who spent only three hours in pain? Shouldn't we then be worshipping Judas?

33. Why should we accept the words of the gospel writers as truth when they are known to be liars? (See Romans 3:7).

34. Do you believe that your god is anti-homosexual? If so, explain why he would create homosexuals in the first place. If not, refute or explain away Leviticus 20:13 and Romans 1:26-27.

35. Explain why prayer is OK, but spell casting is not, when both amount to the same thing: requesting that a superior supernatural force intercede in a way that would be impossible according to the normally accepted laws of physics.

36. According to the Gospels, from the Christian standpoint, Jesus was the most important person to ever live. From the Roman standpoint, Jesus was a huge pain because of his political activities. Explain why nothing was written about his life for over thirty years after his death, and nothing except the Gospels was written until the third century CE.

37. Explain why you believe a person whose life is so poorly documented (see #36) was even ever born.

38. Define the word "Christ," including references to the pagan origins and meaning of the word.

39. Explain why Jesus, who was anti-Gentile (see Mark 7:25-29) and anti-sex (see Luke 14:26 and Matthew 19:12), would want to be anointed with oil in a pagan sexual rite after his death (see your definition for #38).

40. In light of Matthew 10:34, explain why Jesus is called the Prince of Peace.

41. The name "Jesus" has been anglicized. What was the original (Hebrew) name of Jesus? Where did you get this information?

42. Why is it that the life of Jesus was so similar to the lives of pagan Christs, particularly Herakles, Dionysios, and Asklepios?

43. If your god requires that people believe in him and follow his orders through their own free will, why do Christians push their views on public policy?

44. Explain why being a good Christian requires you to push your beliefs on others. If you do not believe that you have to push your views on others (no matter how much this annoys them), explain why you do not believe this despite the fact that the New Testament suggests that you must do this to get to Heaven (for instance, in Matthew 28:19-20).

45. Explain why spreading the "truth of Christ" requires you to spread lies about other religions, such as the idea that Pagans worship the Christian devil, this being a rumor which has been persistently spread by Christians since the second century CE.

46. At no point in the four Gospels did Jesus claim to be the son of your god. (He said "son of man" quite frequently, and at one point referred to himself as "a son of god," but that was a common Hebrew expression at the time: someone who was "a son of god" was a Jew. This reflected the Israelites' belief that they were the chosen people of your god. See Job 1:6). Why, then, do you believe that Jesus was divine? If you don't believe that Jesus was divine, then why do you call yourself a Christian?

47. Given the fact that Jesus did not say anything original (the Golden Rule and the "turn the other cheek" idea were stolen from Buddhism; and the Beatitudes were common in the Jewish devotional literature at the time), why do you see Jesus as such a great thinker/ philosopher/ ethicist?

48. When Jesus said, "Resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also," why do you suppose that most Christians fight for their rights? To put it another way, why don't we, as a country of 85% Christians, let the government abuse us?

49. Why are so many Christian holidays on the same day as Pagan holidays? Couldn't the early Church fathers have converted pagans only by appealing to their reason and/or faith if Christianity is the true religion?

50. Explain how your god can be "just and merciful" in light of Exodus 20:5.

51. Do you believe that the Old Testament should be accepted as part of Christian theology? If so, explain how you can worship such a cruel, sadistic god (see Numbers 31:17-18, Deuteronomy 20:16, Proverbs 20:30, Amos 3:6, Deuteronomy 13:8, Psalms 3:7, Psalms 52:5, etc.); if not, explain how you can believe that Jesus is the promised savior sent by your god without the messianic prophecies and the ruling rights of the line of David, both of which are in the Old Testament in books such as Isaiah, Zechariah, Daniel, Psalms, etc. (as opposed to, say, believing that Jesus was an irritating nut wandering around saying things that people didn't like much).

52. Explain why your "just and merciful" god sent bears to kill forty-two children who called his prophet Elija "baldhead." (See 2 Kings 2:23-24).

53. If prostitution is wrong, why are there so many examples of it in Genesis? (For instance, Gen 19:8, where Lot offers his daughters to a mob so that his guests can avoid gang rape).

54. What is the sin that people committed that is so incredibly bad that your god had to become flesh and die to correct?

55. Are all members of all other faiths bad? Are they all damned to Hell? Justify your answer with quotes from the Bible.

56. Are all atheists/agnostics/humanis... bad? Are they all damned to Hell? Justify your answer with quotes from the Bible.

57. What was your motive in proselytizing me?

58. Where is Heaven?

59. Where is Hell?

60. Why don't animals go to heaven or hell when they die? What makes us so special?

61. Why does Satan try to get peoples' souls?

62. Once Satan has someone's soul, what does he do with it?

63. Is your god perfect? Justify your answer.

64. Where does our soul stay while we are alive? Justify your answer, using quotes from the Bible if you can.

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Dionysios, and Asklepios?

43. If your god requires that people believe in him and follow his orders through their own free will, why do Christians push their views on public policy?

44. Explain why being a good Christian requires you to push your beliefs on others. If you do not believe that you have to push your views on others (no matter how much this annoys them), explain why you do not believe this despite the fact that the New Testament suggests that you must do this to get to Heaven (for instance, in Matthew 28:19-20).

45. Explain why spreading the "truth of Christ" requires you to spread lies about other religions, such as the idea that Pagans worship the Christian devil, this being a rumor which has been persistently spread by Christians since the second century CE.

46. At no point in the four Gospels did Jesus claim to be the son of your god. (He said "son of man" quite frequently, and at one point referred to himself as "a son of god," but that was a common Hebrew expression at the time: someone who was "a son of god" was a Jew. This reflected the Israelites' belief that they were the chosen people of your god. See Job 1:6). Why, then, do you believe that Jesus was divine? If you don't believe that Jesus was divine, then why do you call yourself a Christian?

47. Given the fact that Jesus did not say anything original (the Golden Rule and the "turn the other cheek" idea were stolen from Buddhism; and the Beatitudes were common in the Jewish devotional literature at the time), why do you see Jesus as such a great thinker/ philosopher/ ethicist?

48. When Jesus said, "Resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also," why do you suppose that most Christians fight for their rights? To put it another way, why don't we, as a country of 85% Christians, let the government abuse us?

49. Why are so many Christian holidays on the same day as Pagan holidays? Couldn't the early Church fathers have converted pagans only by appealing to their reason and/or faith if Christianity is the true religion?

50. Explain how your god can be "just and merciful" in light of Exodus 20:5.

51. Do you believe that the Old Testament should be accepted as part of Christian theology? If so, explain how you can worship such a cruel, sadistic god (see Numbers 31:17-18, Deuteronomy 20:16, Proverbs 20:30, Amos 3:6, Deuteronomy 13:8, Psalms 3:7, Psalms 52:5, etc.); if not, explain how you can believe that Jesus is the promised savior sent by your god without the messianic prophecies and the ruling rights of the line of David, both of which are in the Old Testament in books such as Isaiah, Zechariah, Daniel, Psalms, etc. (as opposed to, say, believing that Jesus was an irritating nut wandering around saying things that people didn't like much).

52. Explain why your "just and merciful" god sent bears to kill forty-two children who called his prophet Elija "baldhead." (See 2 Kings 2:23-24).

53. If prostitution is wrong, why are there so many examples of it in Genesis? (For instance, Gen 19:8, where Lot offers his daughters to a mob so that his guests can avoid gang rape).

54. What is the sin that people committed that is so incredibly bad that your god had to become flesh and die to correct?

55. Are all members of all other faiths bad? Are they all damned to Hell? Justify your answer with quotes from the Bible.

56. Are all atheists/agnostics/humanis... bad? Are they all damned to Hell? Justify your answer with quotes from the Bible.

57. What was your motive in proselytizing me?

58. Where is Heaven?

59. Where is Hell?

60. Why don't animals go to heaven or hell when they die? What makes us so special?

61. Why does Satan try to get peoples' souls?

62. Once Satan has someone's soul, what does he do with it?

63. Is your god perfect? Justify your answer.

64. Where does our soul stay while we are alive? Justify your answer, using quotes from the Bible if you can.

65. Explain how you can believe in Satan when your faith is directly descended from the Jewish faith, when the Jews did not even believe in Satan until they absorbed the Egyptian god Set while they were captives in Egypt.

66. Why do evil people often prosper? Justify your answer.

67. Why do good people often fail to prosper? Justify your answer.

68. When the end of the world comes, will your god raise our actual bodies, or just our souls? Explain.

69. Explain why your god lets airplanes with sinless infants on board crash.

70. What is sin, exactly?

71. If Jesus is perfect, justify the parable of the fig tree (Matthew 21:17-19, Mark 11:14-20).

72. Explain why Christians (yes, that includes all branches of Christianity) have spread the lie that Jews put Jesus to death when, in actuality, it was the Romans who put Jesus to death. (For a good example of New Testament anti-Semitism, see 1 Thessalonians 2:15).

73. Explain why your god created humans as imperfect, then set his standards so high that no one could possibly live up to them, then punishes us for not living up to his standards. Doesn't this also constitute "entrapment?"

74. If we are created in your god's image and likeness (Gen 1:27), how can we also be imperfect?

75. Why was it OK for the ancient Israelites to sacrifice animals to their god, while it is wrong for modern religions to sacrifice animals to their gods? Justify your answer.

76. Why would your god confuse people? (See 1 Sam 7:10 and Gen 11:9). Isn't life confusing enough already?

77. Why would your god cause blindness, deafness, and dumbness? (See Ex 4:11)

78. Why would your god want to damn people by making them believe false things? (See 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12).

79. Should the book of Revelation be taken literally? Justify your answer.

80. Would it be good for men to castrate themselves? Justify your answer, taking Matthew 19:12 into account.

81. What exactly is faith?

82. All of the various Christian sects ignore parts of the Bible, usually because those parts of the Bible are inconvenient. Explain which parts of the Bible your sect ignores, and explain why it is OK to ignore those parts of the Bible.

83. Why did your god allow Satan to do evil things to Job (Job 2:7 etc.)? Couldn't your god have better spent his time punishing unbelievers?

84. If Jesus and his father are one (John 10:30), then why does Jesus have to pray (i.e. Matthew 26:39)?

85. Explain your belief in heaven in light of Job 7:9 and Ecclesiastes 9:5.

86. Christ giving himself up on the cross was a great gesture, true, but wouldn't it have been more sensible for him to continue spreading his message until he died a natural death? Answer this question in light of your answer to question #1.

87. What is your interpretation of the temptation of Christ by Satan in the desert (Matthew 4:5-8, Luke 4:5-9)?

88. In view of Matthew 6:5-6, shouldn't prayer in public schools be discouraged? Support your answer with scripture quotes.

89. Do you feel that the last words of Christ were significant? If so, why do the four gospels attribute three different sentences to Christ as his last? (Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34: "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?"; Luke 23:46: "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit"; John 19:30: "It is finished").

90. Matthew and Mark say that the last words of Christ were, in Hebrew, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" This has traditionally been translated as, "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" However, a more accurate translation would be, "My El, My El, why has thou forsaken me?" El is the name of a specific pagan god. Why would Jesus call out to a pagan god at the moment of his death?

91. A commonly recited litany in many forms of Christianity is "The LORD is my shepherd." (Psalm 23:1). Given the fact that the only reasons that people raise sheep are to rob them of their clothes and to kill them for meat, and the fact that sheep will often follow the shepherd to their destruction, do you think that this is any appropriate image for your god? Justify your answer.

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not even believe in Satan until they absorbed the Egyptian god Set while they were captives in Egypt.

66. Why do evil people often prosper? Justify your answer.

67. Why do good people often fail to prosper? Justify your answer.

68. When the end of the world comes, will your god raise our actual bodies, or just our souls? Explain.

69. Explain why your god lets airplanes with sinless infants on board crash.

70. What is sin, exactly?

71. If Jesus is perfect, justify the parable of the fig tree (Matthew 21:17-19, Mark 11:14-20).

72. Explain why Christians (yes, that includes all branches of Christianity) have spread the lie that Jews put Jesus to death when, in actuality, it was the Romans who put Jesus to death. (For a good example of New Testament anti-Semitism, see 1 Thessalonians 2:15).

73. Explain why your god created humans as imperfect, then set his standards so high that no one could possibly live up to them, then punishes us for not living up to his standards. Doesn't this also constitute "entrapment?"

74. If we are created in your god's image and likeness (Gen 1:27), how can we also be imperfect?

75. Why was it OK for the ancient Israelites to sacrifice animals to their god, while it is wrong for modern religions to sacrifice animals to their gods? Justify your answer.

76. Why would your god confuse people? (See 1 Sam 7:10 and Gen 11:9). Isn't life confusing enough already?

77. Why would your god cause blindness, deafness, and dumbness? (See Ex 4:11)

78. Why would your god want to damn people by making them believe false things? (See 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12).

79. Should the book of Revelation be taken literally? Justify your answer.

80. Would it be good for men to castrate themselves? Justify your answer, taking Matthew 19:12 into account.

81. What exactly is faith?

82. All of the various Christian sects ignore parts of the Bible, usually because those parts of the Bible are inconvenient. Explain which parts of the Bible your sect ignores, and explain why it is OK to ignore those parts of the Bible.

83. Why did your god allow Satan to do evil things to Job (Job 2:7 etc.)? Couldn't your god have better spent his time punishing unbelievers?

84. If Jesus and his father are one (John 10:30), then why does Jesus have to pray (i.e. Matthew 26:39)?

85. Explain your belief in heaven in light of Job 7:9 and Ecclesiastes 9:5.

86. Christ giving himself up on the cross was a great gesture, true, but wouldn't it have been more sensible for him to continue spreading his message until he died a natural death? Answer this question in light of your answer to question #1.

87. What is your interpretation of the temptation of Christ by Satan in the desert (Matthew 4:5-8, Luke 4:5-9)?

88. In view of Matthew 6:5-6, shouldn't prayer in public schools be discouraged? Support your answer with scripture quotes.

89. Do you feel that the last words of Christ were significant? If so, why do the four gospels attribute three different sentences to Christ as his last? (Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34: "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?"; Luke 23:46: "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit"; John 19:30: "It is finished").

90. Matthew and Mark say that the last words of Christ were, in Hebrew, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" This has traditionally been translated as, "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" However, a more accurate translation would be, "My El, My El, why has thou forsaken me?" El is the name of a specific pagan god. Why would Jesus call out to a pagan god at the moment of his death?

91. A commonly recited litany in many forms of Christianity is "The LORD is my shepherd." (Psalm 23:1). Given the fact that the only reasons that people raise sheep are to rob them of their clothes and to kill them for meat, and the fact that sheep will often follow the shepherd to their destruction, do you think that this is any appropriate image for your god? Justify your answer.

92. Why is the theory of the big bang any more (or less) likely that the idea that your god created the universe? Justify your answer.

93. If your god is omnipresent, and hell is the absence of (or separation from) your god, how can he be omnipresent? If he is not truly omnipresent, then how can he be omnipotent?

94. In the Genesis story, your god tells Adam and Eve that the day they eat from the tree of knowledge they will surely die (Gen 2:17). The devil tells them that they will not die, but that their eyes would be opened and they would know the difference between good and evil (Gen 3:5). Wasn't Satan telling the truth here? Is your god a liar? Justify your answer in light of Jeremiah 20:7 and Ezekiel 14:9.

95. If Lucifer is not as powerful as your god, then how could he possibly have as many followers as most Christians seem to think he has?

96. The Bible constantly describes your god as male. In view of the fact that your god supposedly created everything, and creation is very much a female function, isn't this at least a little bit absurd? Also, because your god is often referred to in the bible as both male and female (such as by the word `Elohim'), is it not more likely that your god is androgynous? Justify your answer.

97. In light of the Trinity, angels, the Virgin Mary, etc., isn't Christianity polytheistic? If the Trinity is three who are one, why the three names? Justify your answer.

98. Have you read the entire Bible? If not, how can you be devoted enough to try and convert anyone to a religion that you don't know that much about? Isn't knowing as much as possible about something necessary to understanding it? Isn't understanding something necessary to being completely devoted to it?

99. Why is 2 Kings 19 exactly identical to Isaiah 37?

100. Is Jesus's three days in Hell really an ultimate sacrifice, when more than half of humanity going to spend eternity there (see question #11)?

101. If your sect considers the King James Bible to be the official and/or authoritative translation, justify this in light of the fact that when King James commissioned his translation to be poetic rather than accurate. How can you possibly use an inaccurate translation as your reference for what is/is not the word of your god? If your sect does not use the King James Bible, which translation do they use? Justify the use of that particular translation.

102. Assume that I do not believe that Jesus died for my sins, or that if he did, that necessarily means I will go to your heaven. With that in mind, name one thing that Jesus ever did for me.

103. Before Mary was impregnated by the Holy Spirit/Ghost, she was never asked for her consent. (She was warned, but not asked; see Luke 1:31). Mary was also asleep when your god impregnated her; this strongly suggests that he didn't want her to protest. Does this mean that Mary was raped by your god?
Do you think rape is wrong? Justify your answer.

104. If it was foretold that Jesus was to be crucified, and if he knew this, and if he was the son of your god, why did he do everything he could to avoid being crucified? (See, for instance, Matthew 26:39).

105. If the Holy Spirit/Ghost is the father of Jesus (Luke 1:35), then why is the central figure of your trinity called God the Father?

106. Mary and Jehovah were never joined in wedlock. Does it bother you that Jesus is technically a bastard?

107. If man's relation to animals is similar to god's relation to man, was god's impregnation of Mary therefore technically similar to bestiality?

108. The original Hebrew word for the Holy Ghost/Spirit includes the idea that the Holy Spirit/Ghost is female in gender. Isn't this rather silly when you consider the fact that the Holy Ghost/Spirit is actually the father of Jesus (Luke 1:35)?

109. Matthew 28:11-15 contains an account of a conspiracy between the Jews and the Roman soldiers to spread the story that the disciples stole the body of Christ. How could Matthew have known about this, since no Jews or Romans would have admitted to it? If it was such a transparent conspiracy that an outsider could have seen it, why didn't the other three gospels mention it? Why didn't the Roman soldiers get into trouble?

110. Jews believe that people are basically good ...
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created the universe? Justify your answer.

93. If your god is omnipresent, and hell is the absence of (or separation from) your god, how can he be omnipresent? If he is not truly omnipresent, then how can he be omnipotent?

94. In the Genesis story, your god tells Adam and Eve that the day they eat from the tree of knowledge they will surely die (Gen 2:17). The devil tells them that they will not die, but that their eyes would be opened and they would know the difference between good and evil (Gen 3:5). Wasn't Satan telling the truth here? Is your god a liar? Justify your answer in light of Jeremiah 20:7 and Ezekiel 14:9.

95. If Lucifer is not as powerful as your god, then how could he possibly have as many followers as most Christians seem to think he has?

96. The Bible constantly describes your god as male. In view of the fact that your god supposedly created everything, and creation is very much a female function, isn't this at least a little bit absurd? Also, because your god is often referred to in the bible as both male and female (such as by the word `Elohim'), is it not more likely that your god is androgynous? Justify your answer.

97. In light of the Trinity, angels, the Virgin Mary, etc., isn't Christianity polytheistic? If the Trinity is three who are one, why the three names? Justify your answer.

98. Have you read the entire Bible? If not, how can you be devoted enough to try and convert anyone to a religion that you don't know that much about? Isn't knowing as much as possible about something necessary to understanding it? Isn't understanding something necessary to being completely devoted to it?

99. Why is 2 Kings 19 exactly identical to Isaiah 37?

100. Is Jesus's three days in Hell really an ultimate sacrifice, when more than half of humanity going to spend eternity there (see question #11)?

101. If your sect considers the King James Bible to be the official and/or authoritative translation, justify this in light of the fact that when King James commissioned his translation to be poetic rather than accurate. How can you possibly use an inaccurate translation as your reference for what is/is not the word of your god? If your sect does not use the King James Bible, which translation do they use? Justify the use of that particular translation.

102. Assume that I do not believe that Jesus died for my sins, or that if he did, that necessarily means I will go to your heaven. With that in mind, name one thing that Jesus ever did for me.

103. Before Mary was impregnated by the Holy Spirit/Ghost, she was never asked for her consent. (She was warned, but not asked; see Luke 1:31). Mary was also asleep when your god impregnated her; this strongly suggests that he didn't want her to protest. Does this mean that Mary was raped by your god?
Do you think rape is wrong? Justify your answer.

104. If it was foretold that Jesus was to be crucified, and if he knew this, and if he was the son of your god, why did he do everything he could to avoid being crucified? (See, for instance, Matthew 26:39).

105. If the Holy Spirit/Ghost is the father of Jesus (Luke 1:35), then why is the central figure of your trinity called God the Father?

106. Mary and Jehovah were never joined in wedlock. Does it bother you that Jesus is technically a bastard?

107. If man's relation to animals is similar to god's relation to man, was god's impregnation of Mary therefore technically similar to bestiality?

108. The original Hebrew word for the Holy Ghost/Spirit includes the idea that the Holy Spirit/Ghost is female in gender. Isn't this rather silly when you consider the fact that the Holy Ghost/Spirit is actually the father of Jesus (Luke 1:35)?

109. Matthew 28:11-15 contains an account of a conspiracy between the Jews and the Roman soldiers to spread the story that the disciples stole the body of Christ. How could Matthew have known about this, since no Jews or Romans would have admitted to it? If it was such a transparent conspiracy that an outsider could have seen it, why didn't the other three gospels mention it? Why didn't the Roman soldiers get into trouble?

110. Jews believe that people are basically good people and can work to overcome their sinful tendencies. Most Christian sects, following the teaching of Psalm 51:5, 1 Kings 8:46, Ezekiel 18:4, Isaiah 59:2, and Psalm 143:2, believe that people are completely debased and hopelessly lost in sin, and that only your god can lift us out of this state if he decides to bestow his gift of grace on us? Isn't this an incredibly negative view of people? Isn't Judaism a more mature faith just for this reason?

111. How do you, as an individual, feel about Psalm 51:5?

112. What does your sect teach about Psalm 51:5 (and 1 Kings 8:46, etc.), predestination, and similar matters?

113. Don't you think that the idea that no matter what we do, we can never be good and righteous without help from your god (Isaiah 64:6) fosters an unnatural and unhealthy dependency on him?

114. Revelation 22:16 says that Jesus is the "offspring of David." Mary was not descended from David, but Joseph was. Doesn't this mean that Jesus wasn't the son of your god at all, but the (mortal and not divine) son of Joseph?

115. What would the correct thing to do be if your god gave you a command that was harmful and/or destructive to you? A common argument, which comes from Paul, states that because clay pots don't complain about what the potter does with them, people shouldn't complain about what their maker
(supposedly, your god) does with them, but this completely ignores the vitally important argument that clay pots have no sense of self-awareness and cannot think or feel love, pain, anger, etc. If you want to make this argument, you have to deal with this difference.

116. What (or who) does your sect believe the number 666 represents? Justify your answer.

117. If your god is "just and merciful," why would he take Solomon's kingdom away from Solomon's son while not punishing Solomon, when it was Solomon himself who committed the sin of idolatry? What did Solomon's son do to deserve punishment? (See 1 Kings 11:12).

118. Why is Solomon commonly considered to be the paragon of wisdom by many Christians, when he constantly sinned against your god (1 Kings 11:4-10, etc.)? Personally, if I had a god talking to me, I'd do what he said.

119. Don't you think that an anti-sex position (see question #22) is a rather silly position for your sect to take when the biblical book "Song of Solomon" is a piece of erotic poetry? (For instance, in Song of Solomon 8:2, the bridegroom proposes to "drink of spiced wine of the juice of the pomegranate." The pomegranate was a symbol of the female genitalia, and the "spiced wine" represented menstrual blood).

120. Does it bother you that the cross, supposedly a Christian symbol, was actually stolen from the Egyptians? Why or why not? (The Egyptian cross, the Ankh (or Crux Ansata), was a male-female symbol similar in concept to the yin-yang. When the Christians stole the Ankh from the Egyptians, they removed the female symbol, or yoni, leaving only the masculine symbol-- a subtle way of reinforcing the idea that women are lesser beings).

121. How do you explain that Christians are twice as likely to have sadomasochistic tendencies as non-christians?

122. What is the incredibly important doctrinal difference that requires the fighting between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland?

123. Even if your god did create the universe, why does he want to be worshipped? Is your god an egomaniac?

124. If each soul is created anew by god at conception, and is *not* transmitted by the semen, then how is Original Sin transmitted? Why is god deliberately creating sinful souls?

125. How do you explain the fact that the word "blood" occurs over 400 times in the Bible? Isn't this a rather savage way to write a book that is supposed to be at the center of an ethical system?

126. Throughout the Bible, your god commands his followers to wage merciless war on unbelievers (Luke 22:36, Deuteronomy 13:8, Exodus 20:23-25, Deuteronomy 20:16, Matthew 10:34, Numbers 31:17-18, etc). If you are one of his followers, why aren't you out waging merciless war on unbelievers?

127. Numbers 23:21 says that your god "has not seen wickedness in Israel." If this is so, explain why your god burned Israelites for complaining (Num 11:1), sent a plague against them for eating the meat he had given them (Num 11:33), why he burned people for using incense (Num 16:35), ...
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people and can work to overcome their sinful tendencies. Most Christian sects, following the teaching of Psalm 51:5, 1 Kings 8:46, Ezekiel 18:4, Isaiah 59:2, and Psalm 143:2, believe that people are completely debased and hopelessly lost in sin, and that only your god can lift us out of this state if he decides to bestow his gift of grace on us? Isn't this an incredibly negative view of people? Isn't Judaism a more mature faith just for this reason?

111. How do you, as an individual, feel about Psalm 51:5?

112. What does your sect teach about Psalm 51:5 (and 1 Kings 8:46, etc.), predestination, and similar matters?

113. Don't you think that the idea that no matter what we do, we can never be good and righteous without help from your god (Isaiah 64:6) fosters an unnatural and unhealthy dependency on him?

114. Revelation 22:16 says that Jesus is the "offspring of David." Mary was not descended from David, but Joseph was. Doesn't this mean that Jesus wasn't the son of your god at all, but the (mortal and not divine) son of Joseph?

115. What would the correct thing to do be if your god gave you a command that was harmful and/or destructive to you? A common argument, which comes from Paul, states that because clay pots don't complain about what the potter does with them, people shouldn't complain about what their maker
(supposedly, your god) does with them, but this completely ignores the vitally important argument that clay pots have no sense of self-awareness and cannot think or feel love, pain, anger, etc. If you want to make this argument, you have to deal with this difference.

116. What (or who) does your sect believe the number 666 represents? Justify your answer.

117. If your god is "just and merciful," why would he take Solomon's kingdom away from Solomon's son while not punishing Solomon, when it was Solomon himself who committed the sin of idolatry? What did Solomon's son do to deserve punishment? (See 1 Kings 11:12).

118. Why is Solomon commonly considered to be the paragon of wisdom by many Christians, when he constantly sinned against your god (1 Kings 11:4-10, etc.)? Personally, if I had a god talking to me, I'd do what he said.

119. Don't you think that an anti-sex position (see question #22) is a rather silly position for your sect to take when the biblical book "Song of Solomon" is a piece of erotic poetry? (For instance, in Song of Solomon 8:2, the bridegroom proposes to "drink of spiced wine of the juice of the pomegranate." The pomegranate was a symbol of the female genitalia, and the "spiced wine" represented menstrual blood).

120. Does it bother you that the cross, supposedly a Christian symbol, was actually stolen from the Egyptians? Why or why not? (The Egyptian cross, the Ankh (or Crux Ansata), was a male-female symbol similar in concept to the yin-yang. When the Christians stole the Ankh from the Egyptians, they removed the female symbol, or yoni, leaving only the masculine symbol-- a subtle way of reinforcing the idea that women are lesser beings).

121. How do you explain that Christians are twice as likely to have sadomasochistic tendencies as non-christians?

122. What is the incredibly important doctrinal difference that requires the fighting between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland?

123. Even if your god did create the universe, why does he want to be worshipped? Is your god an egomaniac?

124. If each soul is created anew by god at conception, and is *not* transmitted by the semen, then how is Original Sin transmitted? Why is god deliberately creating sinful souls?

125. How do you explain the fact that the word "blood" occurs over 400 times in the Bible? Isn't this a rather savage way to write a book that is supposed to be at the center of an ethical system?

126. Throughout the Bible, your god commands his followers to wage merciless war on unbelievers (Luke 22:36, Deuteronomy 13:8, Exodus 20:23-25, Deuteronomy 20:16, Matthew 10:34, Numbers 31:17-18, etc). If you are one of his followers, why aren't you out waging merciless war on unbelievers?

127. Numbers 23:21 says that your god "has not seen wickedness in Israel." If this is so, explain why your god burned Israelites for complaining (Num 11:1), sent a plague against them for eating the meat he had given them (Num 11:33), why he burned people for using incense (Num 16:35), why he sent a plague against the Israelites who accused Moses of wrongdoing (Num 16:44-49), and why he sent fiery snakes among the Israelites (Num 21:5). Was your god lying in the first instance, or in the others? Or was he just wrong?

128. What was it that was so bad about eating an apple that death had to result from that act?

129. What was it about humanity's torturing and killing of your god's only son that made your god so happy that he again promised eternal life to everyone who believed in him?

130. How do you explain that Matthew and Luke give different genealogies for Jesus?

131. Matthew says that the prophecy given in Matthew 27:9 was given by Jeremiah. How do you explain that this prophecy was not given by Jeremiah at all, but by Zechariah (in Zech 11:12)?

132. Matthew says (in Matt 2:21) that Jesus dealt in Nazareth so that he could fulfill a prophecy stating that the Messiah would be called a Nazarene. Where is this prophecy in the Old Testament?

133. Matthew says that on the triumphant entry into Jerusalem, Jesus was riding on an ass and a colt (Matt 21:7). How do you explain that the original prophecy (Zech 9:9) stated that Jesus would be riding on only one ass, and the other gospel writers place Jesus only on one ass (Mark 11:7, Luke 19:35, and John 12:15)?

134. In Matthew 1:23, Matthew has the angel say that Jesus would be born of a virgin. However, the prophecy that Matthew is referring to, Isaiah 7:14, uses the Hebrew word almah, which simply means a young woman. It has nothing to do with sexual purity; the Hebrew word for virgin is bethulah. How do you explain this?

135. If Jesus could only have been born of a virgin, doesn't that place an unnecessarily high amount of virtue on virginity? Isn't that true that Judeo-Christian belief states that virgins are pure, and that non-virgins are not? Since the only way for a woman to remain pure is therefore to remain a virgin, doesn't purity therefore strike you as an unhealthy and unrealistic goal, and one which is therefore not necessarily desirable?

136. Isaiah 7:16 seems to say that before Jesus had reached the age of maturity, both of the Jewish countries would be destroyed. Where is the fulfillment of this prophecy in the New Testament?

137. Matthew 1:23 says that Jesus would be called Immanuel, which means "God with us." Why does no one (not even his parents) call him Immanuel at any point in the New Testament?

138. How many inconsistencies in the Bible, other than those mentioned in here, do you know of? Cite chapter and verse for as many as you have room for.

139. If even the contemplation of sinning is a sin (i.e. "sinning in your heart"; see, for example, Matthew 5:28) and if Jesus was tempted by Satan in the desert (Matthew 4:5-8, Luke 4:5-9), how can you say that Jesus was without sin?

140. Does your sect believe that the existence of your god can be established through a formal proof? Why or why not?

141. Pick a famous argument for the existence of your god, then criticize that argument, assuming that I mean the academic definition of criticize.

142. Pick an argument against the existence of your god. If it is not a famous argument, copy it down here. Criticize this argument, once again assuming I mean the academic definition of the word criticize.

143. What does your sect think of the government? Read Paul's letter to the Romans, chapter 13. Now what do you think of the government? If necessary, reconcile the two views.

144. What is your definition of the word Christian?

145. Why do you think it is that the ancient Greeks, who had a very liberal sexual morality, had many fewer sex crimes (compared to the population) than the United States, which is 85% Christian?

146. If someone accepts Jesus, and is "saved," but then turns away from Jesus, is that person still saved?

147. What are the requirements for being saved? Some sects say that faith alone is enough; others say that faith without works is dead. The Bible supports both these viewpoints. What does your sect think?
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Deathperado
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 13:11
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why he sent a plague against the Israelites who accused Moses of wrongdoing (Num 16:44-49), and why he sent fiery snakes among the Israelites (Num 21:5). Was your god lying in the first instance, or in the others? Or was he just wrong?

128. What was it that was so bad about eating an apple that death had to result from that act?

129. What was it about humanity's torturing and killing of your god's only son that made your god so happy that he again promised eternal life to everyone who believed in him?

130. How do you explain that Matthew and Luke give different genealogies for Jesus?

131. Matthew says that the prophecy given in Matthew 27:9 was given by Jeremiah. How do you explain that this prophecy was not given by Jeremiah at all, but by Zechariah (in Zech 11:12)?

132. Matthew says (in Matt 2:21) that Jesus dealt in Nazareth so that he could fulfill a prophecy stating that the Messiah would be called a Nazarene. Where is this prophecy in the Old Testament?

133. Matthew says that on the triumphant entry into Jerusalem, Jesus was riding on an ass and a colt (Matt 21:7). How do you explain that the original prophecy (Zech 9:9) stated that Jesus would be riding on only one ass, and the other gospel writers place Jesus only on one ass (Mark 11:7, Luke 19:35, and John 12:15)?

134. In Matthew 1:23, Matthew has the angel say that Jesus would be born of a virgin. However, the prophecy that Matthew is referring to, Isaiah 7:14, uses the Hebrew word almah, which simply means a young woman. It has nothing to do with sexual purity; the Hebrew word for virgin is bethulah. How do you explain this?

135. If Jesus could only have been born of a virgin, doesn't that place an unnecessarily high amount of virtue on virginity? Isn't that true that Judeo-Christian belief states that virgins are pure, and that non-virgins are not? Since the only way for a woman to remain pure is therefore to remain a virgin, doesn't purity therefore strike you as an unhealthy and unrealistic goal, and one which is therefore not necessarily desirable?

136. Isaiah 7:16 seems to say that before Jesus had reached the age of maturity, both of the Jewish countries would be destroyed. Where is the fulfillment of this prophecy in the New Testament?

137. Matthew 1:23 says that Jesus would be called Immanuel, which means "God with us." Why does no one (not even his parents) call him Immanuel at any point in the New Testament?

138. How many inconsistencies in the Bible, other than those mentioned in here, do you know of? Cite chapter and verse for as many as you have room for.

139. If even the contemplation of sinning is a sin (i.e. "sinning in your heart"; see, for example, Matthew 5:28) and if Jesus was tempted by Satan in the desert (Matthew 4:5-8, Luke 4:5-9), how can you say that Jesus was without sin?

140. Does your sect believe that the existence of your god can be established through a formal proof? Why or why not?

141. Pick a famous argument for the existence of your god, then criticize that argument, assuming that I mean the academic definition of criticize.

142. Pick an argument against the existence of your god. If it is not a famous argument, copy it down here. Criticize this argument, once again assuming I mean the academic definition of the word criticize.

143. What does your sect think of the government? Read Paul's letter to the Romans, chapter 13. Now what do you think of the government? If necessary, reconcile the two views.

144. What is your definition of the word Christian?

145. Why do you think it is that the ancient Greeks, who had a very liberal sexual morality, had many fewer sex crimes (compared to the population) than the United States, which is 85% Christian?

146. If someone accepts Jesus, and is "saved," but then turns away from Jesus, is that person still saved?

147. What are the requirements for being saved? Some sects say that faith alone is enough; others say that faith without works is dead. The Bible supports both these viewpoints. What does your sect think?
Deathperado
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 13:17
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Nu, pamēģini, tu kristiete Basteta, atbildēt uz šitiem, bet tā, kārtīgi, nevis ar tipisko trulo tekstu "vajag saprast ar sirdi, ļaut fucking Jahves garam ienākt sevī" vai kādu citu demagoģiju.
Ja nevari - tad aizver savu kristietisko muti (vai pievaldi pirkstus, ja izmanto klaviatūru) un ej savu "labo vēsti" dirst citur!

Kaut kad es šitos jautājumus pārtulkošu un iepostošu baznica.lv... kaut arī īpaši neceru uz savādāku atbildi kā banu uz mūžiem...
Edenbeast
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 14:13
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Deathperado, sorry, neskatoties uz manu respektu pret citiem cilvēkiem, es tomēr pateikšu, ka Tu ne vella nezini par kristietību. Inkvizīcija, raganu prāvas, pagānu vajāšanas???? Laikam man būs tev jāsagatavo detalizēta lekcija, lai tu beigtu runāt nonsensu. Ja vien tu neiebilsti. Es tikai vēlos paskaidrot.
f
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 14:39
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Slinkums lasīt visu, jo angliski, tāpēc izlasīju random secībā tikai dažus.
Totāli primitīvi jautājumi. Es kā pilnīgs antikritstietis un visa tā Dieva murga nīdējs varētu pat atbildēt uz tiem jautājumiem no kristiešu viedokļa.

Starp citu, tajos jautājumos it kā ir atsauces uz dažādām vietām Bībelē, kur ir pretrunas starp to, ko ir teikuši dažādi apustuļi, bet tās pretrunas baznīcai netraucē, jo visa kristietība ir būvēta balstoties tikai uz radīšanas mācību no Vecās derības un Pāvila, kurš nebija nekāds apustulis, jo nebija ar Jēzuliņu pat ticies, vēstulēm

Pagāns
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 14:46
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To lekciju man ar Ēdenesnezvēr nosūti! (ulmens1@inbox.lv). Jo tomēr ir notikušas raganu prāvas un krusta gājieni pret neticīgajiem, arī pagāniem!
kk:(
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 14:49
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Nu, daudzi no tiem jautaajumiem ir vesela traktaata veerti. Un taadi traktaati ir arii sarakstiiti (dazhaadi filosofi un bazniicas darbonji-apologjeeti straadaajushi gadsimtiem). Skaidrs, ka uz lielaako dalju kristieshi atrastu (vinjiem pienjemamu) atbildi, un, ja ne, tad konsulteetos ar maaciitaaju. :) A ko padariisi? Katram (vai vismaz vairumam) gribaas skaidru atbildi uz neskaidriem jautaajumiem.
Vampirs
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 15:17
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shis forums=(tads ljoti interesnats slavisks vards_) FUFLO
Lūsis.
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 15:28
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Jaa, es arii piesakos uz Edenbeast apsoliito izgliitoshanu: dardega@inbox.lv
kk:(
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 15:38
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Jaa jaa, inkviziicijai un kariem nav nekaada sakara ar kristietiibu, taapat kaa kungja chuulai nav sakara ar neveseliigu paartiku un stresu.
kk:(
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 15:41
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Arii man luudzu vienu taalmaaciibas programmu!

nailbomb@banda.lv
Basteta
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 15:49
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Es arii to lekciju gribeetu dzirdeet.

Bet tur ir par daudz jautaajumu prieksh manis, Tik labi anglju val. nepaarzinu.
Edenbeast
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 16:06
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Nezinu, vai man jums vērts ko sacīt. Neticu, ka jūs ko vērtēsiet savādāk... Bet, ja gribat, tad gan jau ko uzķēpāšu. Es tikai pazīstu šo jūsu nicināto reliģiju no citas puses. No tās puses, kuru ir nomākuši citi ar reliģiju nesaistīti apstākļi un ideoloģijas. Jūs domājat, ka viss ir tik vienkārši? Nē. ir savādāk. Es tikai ceru uz pieklājīgu, pieaugušu cilvēku attieksmi.Ja varam tā vienoties, tad viss būs ok.
BigUgga
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 16:09
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paarskatiiju visus tos jautaajumus, daudzi no tiem ir taadi no konteksta izrauti - kaa no beerna uzdoti, vai no totaala apdirseeja, kas piesienas vardiem.

bet tai pashaa laikaa, domaaju, ka daudzi ir tiiri feini un vareetu sagaadaat probleemas sniegt logisku atbildi (atbildes tipa `a taapeec jau taa ir ticiiba/maaciiba` neskaitaas)
kk:(
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 16:22
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Jaaa... Ak, shiis dazhaadaas puses. Nez kuraa pusee atrodas cietushie? Un kuraa Jeezus?

Tur tajos jautaajumos arii bija kaut kas par to, ka dazhaadas sektas/novirzieni (un arii atseviskji cilveeki, galu galaa) dazhaadas biibeles daljas uzskata par mazaak svariigaam. Tas jau tas pats vien ir - dzhaadaas puses. Arii biibelei ja kas, atljaushos to teikt, ir maz sakara ar kristietiibu. Daudz vairaak kristietiibai cilveeku var pieveerst piem. taada graamata kaa K.S.Luisa "Skruuvshnjores veestules", iipashi, kad tu saac justies taads kaa nestabils, ievainojams.

Protams, katrs kursh ir ticiigs jau domaa, ka vinsh paziist Jeezu personiigi.
kk:(
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 16:34
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Un kaa gan citaadi - katram vinja Jeezus dziivo iekshaa pasha galvaa. Ehh... kaut kaa man par to shobriid negribas ne domaat ne runaat.
Bleakness
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 17:01
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Nu gan te viens darījies ar copy - paste funkciju
man pat slinkums visu lasīt bet nu cik uzmetu aci visai primitīvi
un arī man edenbeast var ko uzsūtīt, tikai bez rupjībām un vīrusiem
darkmetal@inbox.lv
Vampirs
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 17:09
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nu ja jau visiem tad man ar vampirs@norge.lv
1996
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 17:20
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henrijs_puutelis@inbox.lv
Intars
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 17:26
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Jā, laiki pienākuši.... Agrāk misionāriem bij krietni jānopūlas lai pildītu savu uzdevumu, bet tagad visi paši uzprasās.
Deathperado
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 17:55
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ak tad lekciju man piesola...
Moš auditoriju noīrēt, te ir daudzi interesanti - pieaicināsim varbūt kardinālu Pujātu, lai nāk apskaidrot neticīgos...
Varbūt viņam būs pamatotas atbildes uz šiem jautājumiem? Krisiteši to tik vien dara, kā piekasās citiem, es tagad piekasos viņiem.
Deathperado
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 17:59
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Es varu ieteikt labu grāmat sakarā ar kristietību, par slaveno bastardu Jēzu - saucās Leo Taksila "Jautrais Ēvanģēlijs". Nemeklējiet to veikalos, tāda tipa grāmatas šīs valsts pastāvošajai varai nav vajadzīgas, bet vecāku plauktos, moš kādam būs.
Jautrību un vielu pārdomām garantēju.
Vampirs
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 18:13
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deathperado negribi man aizdot?
un runajot par kardinalu, ta jau drizak mus burishos jasaliek, ka tik neesam traki un nemazgati matainji :D
Pagāns
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 20:47
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Ēdenes nezvērs, tad iepazīstini vienu pusi ar savu pusi! Ja Tu solīji, tad labam kristietim solījumi būtu jāpilda he he!
Lūsis.
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 20:53
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Vampiirs:"un runajot par kardinalu, ta jau drizak mus burishos jasaliek, ka tik neesam traki un nemazgati matainji :D"... un pilni ar ljauno garu, saatanu, pagaanu liesmu, karojosho ateismu un visaadiem citaadiem moshkjiem, kas Pujata kunga gariigai un fiziskai veselibai kaiteet vareetu. Grrr...
Enemy
, 2005. gada 1. februārī, plkst. 21:17
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Es atljaushos pateikt ka izlasiiju visu Control+V
darinaajumu no A-Z.
Protams liela dalja ir matu skaldiishana bet bija arii daudz praatiigu jautaajumu.
Tie jautaajumi tikai pieraada, ka visu shito religjiju ir izdomaajushi CILVEEKI!!!!!!!
CIK TO VAR TEIKT?????????
Nu ja tas viss sludinaatais tieshaam taa buutu un Dievs pa tieshaam buutu suutiijis savu DEELU lai sludinaatu SAVU PATIESO MAACIIBU, tad JOHAIDII tas viss buutu izdomaats IDEAALI un NEVIENS nekur NEVAREETU piesieties. Un vispaar ja reiz Dievs pa tieshaam ir VISUVARENS un muus visus radiija, tad kaapeec vinjsh neiztaisiija pasauli taadu kaa vinjam labpatiik? Kaapeec neizraava "Laba un ljauna atziishanas koku" ar visaam sakneem. Kaapeec vinjsh no augshmineetaa koka neuztaisiija pamatiigu bozi un neizreekjinaajaas ar Saatanu un visiem vinja 666 sekotaajiem? Ja palasa veco deriibu vinjsh uz to buutu speejiigs.
Nu ja vinjsh to visu neizdariija, tad kaadas vinjam moraalas tiesiibas ir kaut ko no mums prasiit?
Labi taa atkal ir bezjeedziiga demagogjija, kas tikai atkal pieraada ka KRISTIETIIBU IZVEIDOJA CILVEEKI <<<NEVIS>>> ********D $ I $ E $ V $ S****

Vienkaarshi ja to saprot tad ir bezjeedziigi runaat par kautkaadiem ticiibas jautaajumiem. Jo tas viss ir meli.

----
Deathperado, kur tu atraki tos jautaajumus?

Edenbeast, intereses peec ShitInvander@banda.lv
BigUgga
, 2005. gada 2. februārī, plkst. 04:29
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Enemy, fakts!

bet, kas liek tiem cilveekiem izdoamat shaadaas vai taadas `religijas`? varbuut kaads pavisam cits `dievs`? un, ja nu izraadaas, ka kristieshu (shodien nerunaasim par citiem) dievs tiek nostaadiits taadaa pasaa poziicijaa, kaa kristiesi nostaada citu religiju/ticiibu/paarlieci... galu galaa arii iedomu, `dievus`? t.i., ka 'teu, nigger, nebuus citus dievus luugt kaa vien Mani` ?

taadaa gad., biedri, ziepeejat dupshus :)

kristietiibas baigais miinus - noteikumu kopums, kas jaaieveero, un nedo diestees, ja kaads tos paarkaaps - burn burn! religija, kas balstiita uz noteikumiem, ko nedriikst, nevis uz ietekumiem - ko dariit, lai kjuutu labaaks.
Deadfall
, 2005. gada 2. februārī, plkst. 08:42
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Edenbeast, man arii atsuuti deadfall(et)inbox.lv
Varbuut peec 100 gadiem iznaaks veel viena deriiba, kuraa buus nodalja "Edenbeast veestule Truemetaalistiem" :D
Deathperado
, 2005. gada 2. februārī, plkst. 09:10
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Jautājumus es atradu NationStates forumā, pilnīgi nejauši - tur ļoti bieži parādās ļoti interesanti un pamatoti jautājumi it kā "visu pieņemtām normām".
Kas man patika, bija tas, ka visi kristieši, kas papūlējās tajā sadaļā kaut ko ierakstīt, pat nepūlējās pamatoti atbildēt, bet uzreiz ķērās pie demagoģijas un uzbraucieniem jautājumu autoram, kā arī neiztrūkstoši bija teksti kā "Jesus has risen" un "May God enlighten Your Soul"... uz ko es tik vienkā varēju nogrozīt galvu un vēlreiz apzināties, ka kristietība - tas ir intelektuāls bankrots.
Edenbeast
, 2005. gada 2. februārī, plkst. 10:28
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Izskatās, ka jūs par mani ņirgājaties. Bet, labi. es tikai ceru, ka vismaz jūsu attieksme kļūs mazliet savādāka. Ja nebūs epasta errori, tad jau šodien jūs varēsiet iepazīties ar citu pozīciju.
BigUgga
, 2005. gada 2. februārī, plkst. 10:36
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Edenbeast, kaa Tev ar humora izjuutu?
Edenbeast
, 2005. gada 2. februārī, plkst. 10:38
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Ar humora izjūtu viss ok, tikai esmu pieradis, ka par tādu pārliecību kā man cilvēki parasti smejas...
kk:(
, 2005. gada 2. februārī, plkst. 13:29
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Nee, man smiekli galiiigi nenaak.
kk:(
, 2005. gada 2. februārī, plkst. 13:38
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Vispaar - paldies par to rakstu. Shobriid tieshi lasu, esmu jau ticis paari pusei, un, ja godiigi, tur nav nekaa taada, par ko es nebuutu kaadreiz taa vai citaadi padomaajis. Neiebraukshu garaa "analiizee", jo tad man buutu jaaraksta veel viens raksts un jaasuuta visiem un no taa nav jeegas. Tici man, Edenbeast, Tavs viedoklis (jaa, tas ir viedoklis) arii ir tikai VIENS NO... Dziives plashumi ir nepaaredzami, un nekad neesmu vareejis saprast, kaapeec dazhi veelas, lai buutu kaut kas, kas tos perfekti paarredz (varbuut ka taads arii ir, neviens nezina) un turklaat lai shis kaut kas buutu vinju labaakais draugs.
Vampirs
, 2005. gada 2. februārī, plkst. 16:35
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nu jau izlasiju paris spozhus izteicienus :D
Deathperado-kristietība - tas ir intelektuāls bankrots
Edenbeast-jūs varēsiet iepazīties ar citu pozīciju(izklausas pervesi)
Deadfall-Varbuut peec 100 gadiem iznaaks veel viena deriiba, kuraa buus nodalja "Edenbeast veestule Truemetaalistiem"
WrongTale
, 2005. gada 2. februārī, plkst. 18:37
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Edenbeast, attrauc arī man savas pārdomas uz wrongtale (e_t) gmail.com
Saatans
, 2005. gada 2. februārī, plkst. 23:29
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varbuut mums arii baznica.lv kaut kas labs jauzraxta?:)))
Vampirs
, 2005. gada 2. februārī, plkst. 23:47
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atshkjiriba no truemetal.lv tur mus atri izlidinas
Basteta
, 2005. gada 3. februārī, plkst. 00:36
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Nevienu tur nelidina aaraa
BlackShaman
, 2005. gada 3. februārī, plkst. 10:55
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man jau saak niezeet nagi uz kautko nelabu... :)
Kaplicha
, 2005. gada 3. februārī, plkst. 11:32
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Domaju, ka kristietiba ir daudz absurda, pretrunu un kam vajadzigi tie rituali 'visi dara taa'. Piem. viduslaikos cilvekus vadija bailes, kas noteica visu dzivesveidu. Tadel ari kristietiba censas panakt, lai cilveki baiditos, respektetu un paklausitu. Toreiz jautajumi netika uzdoti, jo nepaklausiba bija nepielaujama. Tacu tagad ir citi laiki un logiski, ka tiek uzdoti jautajumi - kam tas viss ir vajadzigs. Taa kaa cilveks, kurs dzivoja pirms 2000g. tiek uzskatits par 'dieva' delu tapat ka visi cilveki - par 'dieva' berniem, tad kristietiba pati norada, ka vins nebija ne paraks, ne savadaks par citiem. Ideja, ko vins sludinaja bija idealistiska un utopiska, jo ta neatbilst cilveka egoistiskajai dabai. Neredzu, ka kristietiba kautkur funkcionetu tiesha veida, ka tas bija paredzets sakuma. Kristieshiem tas ir veids ka atbrivoties no personigas atbildibas - "'dievs' mani vada, 'dievs' visu piedod utt." Varbut tas ir ari veids, ka atbrivoties no vientulibas - iedomajoties 'dievu' blakus (gluzi ka berniba personificejot kadu rotallietu). Savukart baznicai si Jezus dzive bija ideala legenda, ar kuras palidzibu iegut varu un bagatibu. Tadejadi si kristietibas ideologija laika gaita ir uzslanojusies ar dazadiem bezjedzigiem pienemumiem, noteikumiem utt. Tachu kristietibas dogmas nekadi neizsledz garigas energijas esamibu, kuru cilveki vel nav pieradijusi. Domaju, ka mes vel loti daudz ko saja pasaule neizprotam. Es nepieversos nevienai religijai, jo uzskatu, ka religija ir neveseliga pasos pamatos - kapec gan veleties, lai kada cilveku grupa domatu vienadi un veiktu kautkadas vienadas, nepamatotas darbibas? Tomer uzskatu, ka pastav pozitiva un negativa energija pashos cilvekos, kas mijiedarbojas cilveku starpa. Vai tad mes to ikdiena nejutam? Varam devet to par 'dievu' un 'satanu', par 'allahu' utml. Varbut ari tapec daudzi cilveki paklaujas dazadam religijam, jo sajut sis energijas..
Kaplicha
, 2005. gada 3. februārī, plkst. 11:33
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Edenbeast, labprat iepazisos ar tavu redzejumu (kaplicha@yahoo.com). Es cienu cilvekus, kuriem ir sava parlieciba.
Deathperado
, 2005. gada 3. februārī, plkst. 11:54
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mans pasts ir manā profilā...
lūdzu neaizmirst atsūtīt arī man.
dzelzsgriezeejs(
, 2005. gada 3. februārī, plkst. 12:11
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Jaa,es arii gribeetu izlasiit,mans pasts - manaa profilaa.
Deathperado
, 2005. gada 3. februārī, plkst. 15:16
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Paga, gribu vēl kaut ko te iemest...
1. Satan represents indulgence, instead of abstinence!
2. Satan represents vital existence, instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom, instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5. Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek!
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible, instead of consern for psychic vampires!
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, becouse of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development", has become the most vicious of all!
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
9. Satan has been the best friend the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years!
profils
, 2005. gada 3. februārī, plkst. 23:33
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nu jaa... ja nebutu Satana tad par ko bazniicas mazgaatu galvu? Nav ljaunuma, nav baznicas
Bleakness
, 2005. gada 4. februārī, plkst. 01:04
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ja viss būtu dikti ideāli tad būtu garlaicīgi nedadz jau vajag kašķīti arī
kautkādi x faili jau pasaulē ir bet kristietība to noformulē tā lai pašiem būtu labi
piemēram jau jau pat daži mācītāji ir geji tad kāda tur ellē ratā kristietība vai ta tas nav pretrunā ar visu to bībeli???

savā veidā patiesa ir tā šķibacaino in jan zīme kur baltais ar malno ir vienādās daļās es to saprotu ka tas ko kristietība sauc par dievu un sātanu tad sanāk viens un tas pats
no cilvēka paša atkarīgs kā viņš kādos gadījumos kādu enerģiju vai kādu tur x failu izmanto savā vai arī ne savā labā
Enemy
, 2005. gada 4. februārī, plkst. 07:39
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Labi jau buutu ja kristietiibaa Velns ar Dievu buutu vienliidz stipri, bet probleema jau ir ieksh taa, ka shameejie deklamee ka dievs tak ir visu varens, vinsh tak radiija visumu! Un taa nu sanaak ka Dievs tiiri teoreetiski vareetu Velnu panjemt pie dziesmas, bet nezinaamu iemeslu deelj vinjsh gaida pastaraadienu. Jau labu laiku!
ATTILA
, 2005. gada 4. februārī, plkst. 10:31
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Biibelee tiesaam ir loti daudz pretrunu un visa kristiesu ideologija balstaas uz paaris nestabiliem faktiem!! Kaut gan visaas religijaas ir pretrunas kristietismaa skiet to ir iipasi daudz!!
Burlaks
, 2005. gada 4. februārī, plkst. 13:33
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Diskuteet par Deathperado uzdotajiem jautaajumiem ir gandriiz tas pats, kas mekleet atbildi jautaajumam- Kaa radaas dziiviiba uz Zemes? Dala cilveeku uzskata ka to radijis Dievs, citi savukaart domaa, ka dziiviibu uz Zemes atveda citplaneetiesi, ir veel teorija ka dziiviiba radaas nejausi, pati no sevis, taam olbaltumvielaam sakopojoties.Tie visi ir pienemumi,mees nezinaam vai tie ir patiesi vai kludaini.Ne zinaatnieki, ne bazniica nevar neapgaazami pieraadit, ka tiesi viniem ir taisniiba.
Taapat ne zinaaatnieki, ne bazniica nevar atbildeet uz jautaajumu-Kaada ir dziiviibas jega?Neviens to nevar.Vismaz nevienu neesmu saticis.
Lūsis.
, 2005. gada 4. februārī, plkst. 15:53
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Burlaks:"olbaltumvielaam sakopojoties"
Olbaltumvielu seksinjsh? :D
Vampirs
, 2005. gada 4. februārī, plkst. 16:34
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Lūsis ir taada teorija ka kautkadu mistisku kjimisku reakciju rezultataa radas dziviiba!
Lūsis.
, 2005. gada 5. februārī, plkst. 18:30
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Nezinu, kaa taa dziiviiba radaas. Es tik zinu, kaa es pati rados. :D
Bleakness
, 2005. gada 5. februārī, plkst. 20:12
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nu atbrauca mazie zaļie un uztaisīja te labarotoriju un paši tagad vēro un ņirgājas pa mums kādā postā mēs te visu pagastu dzenam
Vampirs
, 2005. gada 5. februārī, plkst. 22:22
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taisniiba jau ir! ja pavero kas notiek, mes pashi slikstam savos meslos un vainojam citus
Enemy
, 2005. gada 6. februārī, plkst. 00:16
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Pat ja muus cilveekus radiija zaljie ar lielaam aciim, tad jebkuraa gadiijumaa paliek jautaajums kaa tad shie radaas?
Un vispaar jau Lielaa spraadziena teorija taa kaa buutu sen zinaama un apstiprinaata................
DiMeBeRg
, 2005. gada 17. februārī, plkst. 16:40
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OZZY jau ar dievticiigs a uz skatuves rij visiem nost galvas un meetaa baigo saatanistu bet vipaar
manupraat metaalisti peec dabas nav agresiivi vinni tikai izskataas baisi a visiem kam no vienniem bails izdomaa baikas un leggendas taanu tas ir

vismaz es pats un tie metaalisti kurus es paziistu nev nekaadi kausslli un izleceeji

A runaajot par religgiju kopumaa man liekas ka taa tika izdomaata lai vienkaarssi kontroleetu cilveeku lai teiktu vo tu slikts tu degsi elee a a tu labs tu seedeesi uz maakonna

vispaar ja taada paradiize ir piellauju ka tur nav metaala tad tomeer elee ir labaak vai arii ne???
lodzinjsh
, 2005. gada 17. februārī, plkst. 17:25
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uuj nu vajdie, teemaa iebraucaat! Kapee daudz spriedeleet par teemu kuru nezinaat? tikpat labi vareetu kvantu fizikaa virziit un pieraadiit hipoteezes neatejot no truemetal foruma. Ganju pashiem nepatiik klausiities trolejbusaa pensionaarus "gudri" teerzeejam par politiku. Te ir forums par muuziku, kuraa esam vismaz kaadaa liimenii iesaistiijushies. Tad te dazhiem labiem vajdzeetu populaarzinaatniskaas graamatas palasiit, nevis virsrakstus dazhos neta saitos.
Kas attiecas uz mani: es neticu cilveekiem kas netic nekam.
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